When COVID-19 first hit the light of day, most people took the news at face value. Yet, there were outspoken skeptics from the start. Many were alarmed by similarities to health crisis situations in the past.

Internationally recognized expert on nutrition, medicine and health, and the Executive Director of Wellness Forum Health, Dr. Pam Popper was extremely alarmed by what was happening.



I was first introduced to the works of Dr. Popper when I began my plant-based eating journey in September 2018. Since that time, I’ve watched several documentaries she has appeared in and am a huge fan of her series of videos about the COVID-19 pandemic.

Dr. Popper’s YouTube Channel

Her position is often viewed as controversial, yet, as you will discover, her point of view, perspective and facts are well-researched and definitely worth considering. 


Who Is Dr. Popper?


Dr. Popper serves on the Physician’s Steering Committee and the President’s Board for the Physicians’ Committee for Responsible Medicine in Washington D.C.  She served as part of Dr. T. Colin Campbell’s teaching team at eCornell, teaching part of a certification course on plant-based nutrition.

She has been featured in many widely distributed documentaries, including Processed People and Making a Killing and appeared in the acclaimed documentary Forks Over Knives, which played in major theaters throughout North America in 2011.  She is one of the co-authors of the companion book which was on the New York Times bestseller list for 66 weeks. She is the author of Food Over Medicine: The Conversation That Can Save Your Life.

Dr. Popper is a featured as the lead expert in Food Choices, appears in Diet Fiction, and also in Code Blue. She is the author of the companion books for Food Choices and Diet Fiction.

Dr. Popper is also a lobbyist and public policy expert, and continually works toward changing laws that interfere with patients’ right to choose their health provider and method of care.  She has testified in front of legislative committees on numerous occasions and has testified three times in front of the USDA’s Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee. 


The Interview


During our conversation, Dr. Popper debunked many of the myths to do with COVID-19. Whether you agree, disagree or choose to dig deeper, one thing I’m confident you’ll agree with is this; Dr. Popper is a breath of fresh air during a time when many people are not questioning much at all about the current situation.

The following includes excerpts from our conversation as well as information to further substantiate what Dr. Popper says.

This is not the first time Dr. Pam Popper has gone against conventional wisdom and done all possible to pull the veil off people’s eyes.

“When this all started, there wasn’t much attention paid to it. When it started to look like something was really going to happen, the very first data didn’t make any sense to me.

“There were two or three dozen cases outside of China and the W.H.O. (World Health Organization) declared a pandemic. I’m thinking, “this sounds shockingly like what happened before with Swine Flu.”

“In 2009 and 2010 the CDC and the W.H.O. fanned the flames to create panic in order to convince people to get the flu vaccine,” Dr. Popper points out.

With the current pandemic, Dr. Popper noticed many similarities to what had happened and what was about to unfold.

“I started digging into it. The more I dug, the crazier it got,” Popper states. “Every time you think you’ve heard the end of the craziness; you find something else insane that’s going on.”


Skewed Numbers

Part of the craziness is the way COVID-19 deaths are counted. One doesn’t have to look to far to see the numbers may be skewed in order to fan the flames of fear.

The federal government is classifying the deaths of patients infected with the coronavirus as COVID-19 deaths, regardless of any underlying health issues that could have contributed to the loss of someone’s life.

Dr. Deborah Birx, the response coordinator for the White House coronavirus task force, said the federal government is continuing to count the suspected COVID-19 deaths, despite other nations doing the opposite.

“There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition, and let’s say the virus caused you to go to the ICU [intensive care unit] and then have a heart or kidney problem,” she said during a recent news briefing at the White House. “Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.

“The intent is … if someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that,” she added.


The concern with this way of counting is the numbers can skew data the government is collecting.

Why would they want to mislead the public? Simple. The more people see the higher numbers, regardless of how true the numbers are, the less they question the need to get vaccinated.


Setting Off Alarms


Dr. Popper is concerned that not many people find this alarming. People are asked to fraudulently fill out death certificates in order to skew the numbers and to make this look more deadly than it is.

For experts like Dr. Popper, there’s an urgency to educate the public about the induced fear taking place. Mass fear gives the government enormous control over our lives.


Is this Conspiracy Theory?


The challenge with someone uncovering a truth that goes counter to what the “powers that be” say is true is those who call the whistleblower a conspiracy theorist.

Yet, when you dig deeper, you can see there are very clear agendas. In the case of the most recent measle “outbreak,” there were 80 cases. This constituted an epidemic. This was in a country of 30 million. This forced mandates for children in California to get the vaccine.

When you create panic, people tend to do what you want, like get vaccinated without questioning what’s really going on. There can be a lot of pushback with vaccines, but when the panic is created, like with skewed numbers, people fall into line.

Dr. Popper again warns of people following blindly, without questioning what is really going on.

“People need to get vaccinated in order to have permission to live on Earth.  Basically, they are being given permission to move about.

“Much of the current situation can be traced to Chinese interfering in our election. The Chinese made it clear they want to be the dominant economy in the world. What better way to do that then to fan the flames panic?”

Yet, when you dig into the situation, you realize that China misbehaved. There’s a story emerging. The number of cases in Beijing is minimal compared to their overall population. Current numbers of deaths in Beijing are 39 (thirty-nine) with a population of 21.54 million.

Based on what is happening in New York, Beijing should have millions of cases. But rather than a spike in numbers, China goes back to “business as usual.” Why is that?


Don’t Waste a Crisis


It has been said, “Never let a good crisis go to waste.” This statement was made by Margaret Chan. She is the person who fanned the flames with the W.H.O. when they when they faked the swine flu epidemic in 2010.

“I actually found a transcript of the talk that she gave stating that we should never let pandemics go to waste because there are opportunities for social engineering, redistribution of wealth and that sort of thing,” Dr. Popper says.

Again, many would question why people like Margaret Chan would do this. Bottomline, when you make people panic, you can justify a lockdown.


Where does this all lead?


So where does the panic lead? The answer for many is vaccines.

Bill Gates has a goal for everyone to be vaccinated. According to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation website, Bill and Melinda Gates pledge $10 Billion to address getting people vaccinated.



Tattooed Surveillance


With the vaccine comes the tattoo on your wrist. The tattoo is your passport to move around. To leave your house, go from state to state, travel from country to country all the while being subjected to surveillance of all your activities.

Researchers from MIT have created an ink that can be embedded in the skin alongside the vaccine itself, and it’s only visible using a special smartphone camera app and filter.

Although innocent looking on the surface, the underlying implications are downright scary. The invisible mark could be used to track our every move including restricting activity restriction such as getting a driver’s license, travel and even going to the grocery store.

According to CNBC website, “Surveillance tools for people who show no signs of Covid-19 is now considered “critical” to stopping the spread of the virus, members of the Coronavirus Task Force recently stated. It represents an update — a new “focus”— in what officials believe is now necessary to contain the coronavirus, Anthony Fauci said.

“Now, you can start figuring out what the penetrance is in society,” Fauci said. “That’s going to inform us greatly in a number of things. It’s gonna give us information of what the vulnerable areas are and how we need to respond.”

It’s an “invisible war,” Trump said about the virus, adding that it’s resulted in five time more deaths from civil war. “This is a military operation with a lot of help from corporation.” —Jennifer Elias

Full article https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/16/coronavirus-live-updates.html


Lock-downs Become the Norm


With the current stay at home restrictions in place, people are being conditioned to lock-downs.

Think about it. People on lock-down grow more frustrated by the day. Little by little, they are being conditioned to a new way of living. When you lift some of the restrictions by requiring they take specific actions, like get vaccinated, they are more likely to comply.

This almost seems like it comes straight out of a thriller novel. Yet, it’s happening right before our very eyes. And, depending on what media source you listen to and watch, you get very conflicting data as to what’s true.

With all the conflicting data, people are not sure who to believe. Dr Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases since 1984, insists the only way to eradicate COVID-19 is by a strict stay at home mandate.

“If you jump the gun and go into a situation where you have a big spike, you’re gonna set yourself back,” Fauci said. “So as painful as it is to go by the careful guidelines of gradually phasing into a reopening, it’s going to backfire. That’s the problem.”

Fauci also warned: “Unless we get the virus under control, the real recovery economically is not going to happen.”

Yet, while Fauci continues to push the stay at home agenda, there is a rise in death caused drug overdoses and suicides that are not being talked about. Not only is the economic toll hitting hard, so is the emotional toll.

Dr. Popper warns that it’s going to get worse if the current shelter in place continues as is.

“The food bank is out of food every day. We have the highest unemployment rate since the Great Depression. Suicides are on the increase, as are overdoses.

“When people get hungry and desperate, when you don’t have any money, you don’t have any food, then shelter at home don’t mean much to you at all. 

“You’re going to have looting, crime and violence. We’re heading for mob rule. It’s dangerous.”


Do Your Research


Dr. Popper has spent over 25 years researching what happens during situations like COVID-19. She is concerned by the number of people who base their opinion by what they see on television. Rather than look beyond what the media is feeding us, she encourages people to do more research rather than take things at face value.

She’s concerned that with the way many people are believing all they are seeing that it’s almost like somebody put a chip in their head and they are not questioning what’s going on. She encourages people to check the data. The real data, not media meant to keep you in a state of fear.

“The data shows that a billion people got H1N1. Billion with a B. We didn’t shut down the planet at that time. Now we have 2 million worldwide with COVID-19 and we shut everything down. Tell me how that’s rational.”

Dr. Popper goes beyond what most people accept as gospel. She searches government databases and health organization databases. She’s paid to have information translated from government databases in other countries. She’s personally put in hundreds of hours of research time to gather data.

She puts her findings on her YouTube Channel and welcomes anyone who can prove her wrong to do so.




A huge part of the solution is for people to not take things at face value. Do your own research. Question what you are being fed by mainstream media.

Additionally, people need to take more control of their health. Dr. Popper is an advocate of increasing nutrition through a plant-based protocol. She encourages people to eat  plant based, low fat, high fiber and to eat “real” food.

The solution resides in people eating a health promoting diet, staying hydrated, exercising, keeping a lean frame and body and adding muscle.

She also advocates social and family connections. Considering the current mandates, she will be the first to admit, it’s easier said than done on the connections.

Yet, she sees grave danger in the loss of social connection. “Our whole society is being torn apart and we’re being treated like animals. It reminds me of World War II.”


Dr. Popper’s Message to Governors


“You need to start letting people out because if you don’t, they are going to start going out anyway. It has to be done intelligently, but it has to be done. The problems arising from shutting down the economy, isolating people who have minimal resources, children that have no access to meals, is setting things up for mob rule.”

Quick to say she is NOT in favor of mob rule, Dr. Popper cautions that we are headed in that direction.

She further cautions that many of the media reports are taken out of context. One example is when the director of the Department of Health showed how dire the situation was due to putting hospital beds in the convention center. When you dig deeper you discover that many of the beds in hospitals were empty.

This begs the question, “Why would they do this?”

According to Dr. Popper they are deliberately trying to panic people. Yet, why? Why would they want to panic people? When people are panicked, they are easier to control and manipulate.

In order not to panic, it’s important for people to determine if they want to stay panicked. If they do, there’s not a lot that can be done. Dr. Popper compares this with someone who is overweight and diabetic. If they won’t change their eating habits, there’s not a lot that can be done to help them.

If you do want to minimize your panic, look at objective information. Get the real facts. Not only will it calm you, it’s likely to anger you.

For nonessential small businesses, Dr. Popper recommends the following.

  • Have your staff apply for unemployment. Although not the ideal scenario, it’s a move in the right direction for your staff to have money coming in.
  • Next, apply for all the stimulus programs available. 
  • If you pay rent on a building for your business, talk to your landlord. Let them know you applied for stimulus money.
  • Call your utility companies to let them know what’s going on.
  • Communication is essential and will give you a sense of control.
  • Realize, your voice matters.


Do Something Awesome!


Dr. Popper is committed to raising awareness about some very important issues. First, don’t take everything at face value. Question what you see on the news. Do your homework and research an issue beyond the nightly news. Speak up and know your voice matters.

Most importantly, take care of your health. The healthier you are, the more control you have over the very things that are at the root of COVID-19. You will not be at the mercy of a broken system.

She encourages people to incorporate more plants into their eating protocol.

And most of all, use the current situation to do something awesome.

NOTE: This post in no way minimizes the loss of so many that have, in fact, died due to COVID-19. It is meant to bring light to agendas that many have not even considered.

To learn more about Dr. Pam Popper, visit http://www.drpampopper.com